2. Chinese are not religious, at least not in the same sense of the Christianity or Islam. Traditional Chinese culture believes in divine forces but never had high levels of organized religion. History has proven that neither Chrstians nor Muslims willing to be governed by “infidels”.

3. CCP is atheist.

Yimit was warned about illegal underground religion. Then he talked to a foreigner who was expelled for a reason.

Uyghur Swedish does not even speak much Uyghur and whatever he passed to Chinese were not real secrets. I am still waiting to see how much he was paid and whether he knew that the Chinese was a spy.

There are some relatively new discoveries of the scripts written in Jesus time. Women played much more important roles in the organization and finance, but were reduced to insignificance later by sexism men. All regions are still very sexism institutions now. It is the fact, not fantasy

I dont care for the religion of Jewish “Men” either even though I am one.

However, please spare us your Dan Brown derived populist fantasies.

The Uyghur Swedish might just be interested in a bit more income. His sister in China wish to live with him in Sweden, he did like the idea and I doubt that his relatives in China are more oppressed than other Chinese.

Jesus was just a Jewish man. His followers were definitely liars and they dehumanized him to be “son of God”. I personally will never understand that anyone with family could risk going to jail for a Jew who died long ago.

1. Nothing will really change in terms of policy in XUAR; moreso the old policies will be intensified.

2. The photographer’s story is a common one.

3. The issue of the murder of Uyghur factory workers in Guangdong after being falsely accused of rape (and officially acknowledged as false by the government) has seemed to be swept under the carpet as the cause of the shocking riots in July.

http://www.thelocal.se/25410/20100308/

It seems he himslef was a political refugee seeking sanctuary from your “powerful state.” One wonders what type of blackmail was imposed upon him to ensure he spied for the Chinese government if he was in fact fleeing their persecution? What was he threatened with or his family perhaps? Or was he just a fake refugee the entire time and a spy himself all along?

This period was also the time when Sweden was seriously thinking about accepting the Guanatanamao Bay Uyghurs who no body else would accept. Were the secrets he was passing on associated with that issue which so concerned China at the time?.

There really is no comparison with the Alim Jan case and the Uyghur spook in Sweden. He was either bought out of fear for himself or family or was a spy all along sent to Sweden for that purpose. Whatever he is not innocent of his crime as is Alim Jan.

Your reasonings and comparisons are quite skewed; and I love your Dan Brownesque allusions to Mary Magdalene above: I forgot that Dan had the true story!

Let’s get real. Religions were created by men with political agendas and have been utilized as such ever since.

My “bias” against religions is based on the bloody facts. Laws are open for interpretation, just like the Bible or whatever. It makes sense to protect children from brainwash by the books written thousands of years ago. Underground religions can be the cover for all kinds of criminal activities.

“…as though basic metaphysical questions have all been answered by your particular blend of atheism-secularism-communism.”

Religions did not get them right for sure. It would be closer if “communism” is replaced by feminism. The creators of religions were actually progressive for their times, but the sexism men have been letting them down, such as making Jesus’ wife a prostitute. Women have not been good enough to be priests, but pedophilia men have been too good to let go. Religions have been the problems, not the solutions.

Spying is as old as human and it can be very shady and very ugly. But both men were excessively punished for their probably inconsequential conducts

No one said religion is above Chinese law. In fact, I think most would argue that what the Chinese government does in many cases is against the spirit and letter of the laws they themselves promulgated. Obviously no government should allow child sacrifices or crimes in the name of religion. That was never suggested though. But it starts to get controversial when you don’t allow children to learn about their religious tradition or don’t allow government workers to pray. These things are simply not criminal or threatening to anyone in themselves. You simply seemed deeply biased against all religions as though basic metaphysical questions have all been answered by your particular blend of atheism-secularism-communism. I for one, am skeptical of your sweeping generalizations.

Before you start going off on tangents about spys and blowing cover, I suggest you familiarize yourself with Occam’s razor…..

Yes i believe St Paul said that and that has always worried me especially when we see how western governments have used religion to control the unthinking and subservient. Look at Bush’s unholy alliance of Church and militarist state as a recent example. The bible is also full of instances where Christians were persecuted and even killed for refusing to obey the state rather than obey God. I think an example is St Peter. I dont have a bible but have read it. Wasnt St Paul who made the above statement about obeying the state also martyred by the state when it came down to it in the end. He would not bow down to Caesar. It seems the political state in nay form collectively known as the beast is the enemy of the universal church throughout time in biblical prophetic imagery of Revelation.

re: “Who decided religions should be above Chinese laws? ”

Definitely not foreigners. Chinese Christians choose this themselves and from what I can glean are also good obedient subjects as a rule. When they have to choose between the dictates of the state and their belief many choose allegiance to the God of their belief which is greater than the state and also suffer for this with imprisonment and also death. That is their moral choice beyond the dictates of the state and something the state cannot control. I think this is the biggest fear of the communists.ie. their powerlesness to control the hearts of men and women when it comes to religion: christian, buddhist, muslim, whatever.

I wont respond to your last statements as you obviously do not receive what I previously wrote – like the Chinese christians who choose to defy the strictures of the state, that is your choice and your belief.